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Autopsy reports: Red shirts killed by high velocity ammunitions (Update)

Bangkok Post and Thairath published autopsies of victicms of the 10 April incidents.

Autopsies on 11 victims of the violence on Saturday night revealed nine red-shirt demonstrators were killed by high velocity bullets to the head or chest, an independent committee announced on Monday afternoon.

No details were given of the bullet calibre or possible  weapon used.

Police General Hospital chief medical officer Jongjet Aowajenpong said five of the the nine victims were shot in the head, and four in the chest.

Another victim died from respiratory failure, Pol Maj Gen Jongjet said.

Pol Maj Gen Jongjet said Japanese camerman Hiro Muramoto, a Reuters journalist,  was shot in the chest but the committee will not reveal the details of his death.

He said the Japanese government has asked the Thai government not to reveal the details to the public.

Experts will look into the types of fireams used and other aspects of the shootings, he said.

There were 21 deaths – 17 civilians, including a foreign reporter, and four soldiers – with 863 others injured in the political bloodshed in Bangkok on Saturday.

Military rifles issued to troops in Thailand are generally high-velocity small calibre, such as the M16 which fires a 5.56mm high velocity cartridge. Pictures from Saturday night’s riot show figures identitied as protesters also with military-type weapons, including an M16.

Weapon sighting included Tavor Tar 21, using the ammunition at the same caliber as an M-16 (5.56×45 NATO).  supposedly official guns. Whoever, the men in black are, they kept their spent cartridges well.

Thairath went in details and reported  five protesters  (Sawat, Yutthana, Wasan, Ampol,  and Praisom) died because of with brain trauma from high velocity gun shots. The first four people were “killed from gun shot wound, destroying their brains. Bullet entered from back [went through the skulls] and exited through the front” ( italic added in translation. เสียชีวิตจากบาดแผลกระสุนปืนทำลายสมอง กระสุนปืนเข้าจากบริเวณด้านหลังทะลุด้านหน้า). Other three men (Tawatchai, Charoon, and an identified Thai man) were shot in the chest-abdominal areas (entry: chest, puncture lungs, a liver and main arteries) it was  unclear some bullets could be recovered from those bodies. A man died of personal  respiratory failure.

I’ll leave readers to interpret trajectories.

UPDATE: Got a photo of one victim from http://thaienews.blogspot.com/2010/04/10_13.html. Graphic content and could be disturbing. The ballistic trajectory is not my interpretation.

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Al Jazera captured the masked men

Posts about  masked men were  around Pantip.com yesterday. Posters said they were fighting with the military and helped red shirts so that the protesters could be transferred to safety. Matichon have captured clip from NBT here.

Aljazera via Thairath have reported AK47 (or similar type assault rifles) and M16 wielding men here.

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holes

this car had three holes visible with several dents.

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take a blogging break

Yesterday I was at Phan Fa when they brought two bodies covered but a few meters away from me. My assessment is that the government wanted the area back and the protesters has been poorly instructed how to deal with rain on bullets. The leaders at Phan Fa was not skillful to calm the people down and retreat to safe lives and limbs. Then Arisman and Rambo admitted they have broken into a hospital to get the bodies. I understand the need to obtain an evidence, yet I could not blame them.

Now there are at least three persons that can say something to make it stop, resignation, retreat and reconciliation.

I only hope one of them will say  that magic word.

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Reluctant security forces

Shortly.

Heard that several international agency reported that the soldiers at Lat Lum Kaew  threw their shields and accept water from red shirts. One of the reasons is that they were affected by tear gas and protesters offered them water to watch thier face.Another reason is watermelon privates (outside green, inside red)

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Test your sight: assault rifles and portesters

Photo: Bangkok Post

Please go to the Bangkok Post’s front page in the website and look at the headline photo under “Emergency Rule”for your convenience I have included the photo/link. Was this the automatic rifles captured from the Suthep’s personal guards that  Seth Mydan and Thomas Fuller reported:

“Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, who is in charge of security for the government, was one of those evacuated to a military headquarters after the protesters wrestled with his security guard, seized the guard’s weapon and emptied out the ammunition. (Italic added)

Yesterday, at the second protest site, the leaders took turn to show captured image of “M16” seized in the parliament in  and said that the weapon will belong to Suthep.

Matichon reported earlier that  the assault rifle were carried by an official security force in the parliament who was attacked by the red shirt protesters and the rifle and a pistol was taken away by force.

Sadly, no other Thai reports discussed if the weapons were pre-loaded, the pistols should be loaded, but most assault rifles carried for guards in the many barracks were not loaded (i.e. as far as one can see the ammunition magazine were usually not present.) Clipping from Post Today at the Parliament clipping service said the rifle was fully loaded. so the Red shirt might take the magazine out.

And if the solution for the government is to armed the anti-riot force, i don’t think it is a suitable idea in this climate where people will out-number the riot police.

For the Red shirt leasers and protesters, this post a new question of their contact with security officials. Should leaders subtly encouraged the people to disarm the armed official by force of  protesters, while knowing that the weapon was loaded (and locked?) to obtain an evidence to call for more people to protest as the government is ready to kill the people? This was too dangerous to allow protesters to take the risk of an accident during the struggling moment when they try to obtain the evidence from the security official.

Later, Chatupon Phrompan denied that the leaders of the Rajaprasong stage did not have any motion for the red shirts at Phan Fa to broke into the parliament.

Post Today reported that:

ช่วงที่แกนนำอีกปีกกำลังสลายตัว นายอริสมันต์ พงศ์เรืองรอง ซึ่งอยู่บนรถปราศรัยหน้าประตูถนนอู่ทองใน ได้ฉวยโอกาสสั่งให้กลุ่มคนเสื้อแดงอีกกลุ่มบุกเข้าไปยังรัฐสภากลุ่มคนเสื้อ แดงเขย่าประตูก่อนปีนและขับรถชนพังเข้ามาในรัฐสภาได้สำเร็จ และปะทะกับเจ้าหน้าที่ตำรวจล้มระเนระนาด

“…Arisman Pongreungrong, on the mobile stage on Uthing Nai Rd., ordered another group of red shirt to break into the parliament …” Arisman is an official speakers and recognized leader of the Red shirts and he is entrusted to take care of the protesters in front of the parliament.  Should the Red shirt leaders and the red shirt protesters dismissed this action as merely anther pseudo red’s outrage? Anyway, the “evidences” was obtained, in a very needless manner. The government used this even to declare the sate of emergency, the red shirt leaders to call for more people to the protest.

It is not about the government and the People but how to ensure the right and safety of the party involved. I hope that the good means will take care of itself, while the bad means will unfold themselves.

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Interestingly, new riot gears purchased.

A vast arsenal of anti-riot equipment – worth 243 million baht – has been bought or ordered since the ISA was invoked more than three weeks ago.

The array of crowd-control gear includes “Robocop” armour, rubber bullets, tear gas grenades, gas masks, batons and vehicles fitted with water cannons.

The new set of riot control equipment “of international standard” is to be used by 60 military companies and other security forces responsible for dealing with the red shirt protest.

A military source said army chief Anupong Paojinda had discontinued the use of old rubber bullets and tear gas canisters bought from the US and China in 1995 and ordered the use of all newly acquired crowd control equipment to prevent a repeat of the mistakes made in handling the demonstration in front of the parliament by the People’s Alliance for Democracy on Oct 7, 2008.

The source said the government had placed an order for 400,000 rubber bullets used with a special adapter attached to the muzzle of an M16 rifle, and another 8,000 rubber bullets for shotguns. The rubber bullets cost 25 baht each. An order has also been placed for blanks worth 48 baht each.

The government has also ordered from Britain and Malaysia hand-thrown tear gas aerosol canisters priced at 2,920 baht each, and gun-fired tear gas grenades priced at 2,700 baht each.

Tear gas grenade launchers valued at about 30,000 baht each have also been ordered.

The government has also ordered riot control body shields worth 4,430 baht each, “Robocop” armour (19,000 baht each), gas masks (24,000 baht each), riot control batons (900 baht each) and crowd control vehicles fitted with water canons worth 18 million baht each, among other equipment.

More than 47,000 soldiers have been assigned to help police maintain security during the red shirt demonstration in Bangkok.

— Anti-riot arsenal piles up/ http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/security/35649/anti-riot-arsenal-piles-up

New sets of riot gears within three weeks. Were the ones used last year not functioning? Will they really want to use them in protracted protests this time? Where were the last batches? And apart from GT200, who have won the bid?

Will they work well this time?

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Red in EC

Some people wearing red shirts are seen to try to break into the Election Commission building. The red shirt leaders asked them to leave the premise, claiming anyone wearing red shirts and refusing to do so are not real red.

at 14.20 Kwanchai praipana asked the protesters to leave to prevent any justification of the further action from the government.

At 13.00 (matichon: http://matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1270439179&grpid=00&catid=no) Red shirt speaker asked men to surround the EC Building to seek Aphichat Sukatkanont, EC Chairperson for a talk. (Bangkok Post: http://bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/173692/red-shirts-to-rally-at-ec)

In twitter some supporters said the soldiers were travelling out of the Infantry 11 in red shirts and on pick up trucks. This is not confirmed in the news yet and it is only red supporters’ speculation. However, why on earth they wanted to were red from inside the Infantry 11. Why don’t they wear normal uniform or something else when they leave, stop and change to red shirts when approaching the EC. Anyway, I don’t think the pseudo-red charge from red shirts will leave them with zero accountability with Thai media report.

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Red in EC

Some people wearing red shirts are seen to try to break into the Election Commission building. The red shirt leaders asked them to leave the premise, claiming anyone wearing red shirts and refusing to do so are not real red.

at 14.20 Kwanchai praipana asked the protesters to leave to prevent any justification of the further action from the government.

At 13.00 (matichon: http://matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1270439179&grpid=00&catid=no) Red shirt speaker asked men to surround the EC Building to seek Aphichat Sukatkanont, EC Chairperson for a talk. (Bangkok Post: http://bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/173692/red-shirts-to-rally-at-ec)

In twitter some supporters said the soldiers were travelling out of the Infantry 11 in red shirts and on pick up trucks. This is not confirmed in the news yet and it is only red supporters’ speculation. However, why on earth they wanted to were red from inside the Infantry 11. Why don’t they wear normal uniform or something else when they leave, stop and change to red shirts when approaching the EC. Anyway, I don’t think the pseudo-red charge from red shirts will leave them with zero accountability with Thai media report.

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Rally at Rachaprasong intersection declared illegal.

Satit on TV explained that the announcement is to inform the red shirt that the gathering is illegal. If they leave, they will not be penalized. He said the crowd will not be dispersed. Leaders and protesters are asked to leave the area now.

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